Forums
Ventana Wilderness Forums • View topic - Big Pines Trail

Big Pines Trail

Big Pines Trail

Postby Paul David Tuff on Sat Mar 02, 2013 4:50 pm

Date Hiked: February 22, 2013
General Condition: Clear (no obstacles and tread well defined) to practically impassable

Hiking in from Botchers the trail is in pretty good shape, as is the Big Pines Cutoff from the junction with Ventana Double Cone down to the creek, then it degrades a bit climbing up to Big Pines Trail. There is a marker showing the junction to Big Pines Camp, but I never would have found the camp itself without Jack's Big Sur Trail Map and a GPS (GPSmap 62s [thanks for the recommendation Jack. Now I have to learn how to use the thing]). The trail down to the camp quickly disappeared but the gps got me to the area of the camp. I was standing about five feet away from the camp's fire grate but it was so overgrown it may as well have been invisible until I looked down and spotted it. Big Pines is becoming a lost camp. The trail from Big Pines Camp junction to the BPC/VDC junction is pretty good, but since a lot of the trail was covered in snow, I doubt I would have made it (this being a day hike) without the GPS.
Paul David Tuff
 
Posts: 7
Joined: Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:52 pm

Re: Big Pines Trail

Postby RSIBryce on Mon Dec 17, 2012 6:42 pm

Date Hiked: December 11, 2012
General Condition: Difficult (brushy and/or many deadfalls, faint tread)

Blue Rock to the Los Padres Dam

Trail begins to heavily meander with the fire break, developed use trails on the fire break make it especially confusing. Tired from the long day of hiking we forgot to use our GPS unit to our advantage at this point and pushed forward on what turned to be not the trail. We found ourselves following a use trail and ended up on some backcountry roads and hitched out with a local who said he picks up confused hikers all the time. He was really nice, said we were lucky we didn't wander onto a neighbors property, however....
User avatar
RSIBryce
 
Posts: 83
Joined: Fri Oct 05, 2012 2:48 pm

Re: Big Pines Trail

Postby RSIBryce on Mon Dec 17, 2012 6:38 pm

Date Hiked: December 11, 2012
General Condition: Difficult (brushy and/or many deadfalls, faint tread)

Coming from the Pat Springs junction to Blue Rock

Traveling east to the Los Padres Dam one is saddened by the huge loss of many of the Big Pines in the 2008 fire. The Big Pines camp could not be found even using the GPS unit and would be hazardous anyhow to camp now due to the risk of dead fall. Shortly after where the camp should be a crazy mess of a deadfall has made the trail nearly impassable; for many not into sketchy walking over logs and such or a serious bushwhack it pretty much is impassable. Even for young bucks like me and Sam it was hard and a little dangerous with packs. An alternate route way around this brushy/deadfall mix may be developed at some point to allow this to remain hikeable for the average person. After this however the trail follows along the ridge and is quite nice with some great views and clear trail. The fire break also follows the ridge and gets a little confusing with the trail as the two seem to cross quite a bit. Need to pay close attention, though some many other trails have developed with people getting confused in this manner. Blue Rock is a really beauitful oddity sticking out on the ridge, the trail passes right through it.
User avatar
RSIBryce
 
Posts: 83
Joined: Fri Oct 05, 2012 2:48 pm

Re: Big Pines Trail

Postby RSIBryce on Mon Dec 17, 2012 5:58 pm

Date Hiked: December 10, 2012
General Condition: Clear (no obstacles and tread well defined)

Comings Junction to Ventana Double Cone Trail Junction

Gorgeous walk along the ridge, open and obvious trail. Lots of burned pines from 2008 fire. Some steep sections. The junction with Ventana Double Cone is fairly clear though signage was destroyed in fire. As SamE noted below, carved into the sign is assurance of Pat Spring and the Ventana trail going off to the right at this fork.
User avatar
RSIBryce
 
Posts: 83
Joined: Fri Oct 05, 2012 2:48 pm

Re: Big Pines Trail

Postby RSIBryce on Mon Dec 17, 2012 5:36 pm

Date Hiked: December 9, 2012
General Condition: Passable (some brush and/or deadfalls, tread evident)

Mt. Carmel Junction to Comings Camp/San Clemente Trail (Pine Creek) Junction

The trail down from Devils peak is rather steep and sometimes narrow. We saw lots of side use trails though its pretty easy to stay on the main trail.
Last edited by RSIBryce on Mon Dec 17, 2012 5:59 pm, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
RSIBryce
 
Posts: 83
Joined: Fri Oct 05, 2012 2:48 pm

Re: Big Pines Trail

Postby RSIBryce on Mon Dec 17, 2012 5:20 pm

Date Hiked: December 9, 2012
General Condition: Clear (no obstacles and tread well defined)

Turner Creek junction to Mt. Carmel trail junction

Trail remains open and easy to follow though not as heavily used as Skinner Ridge trail. (Note: Skinner Ridge trail ends at the Junction to Turner Creek and becomes the Big Pines Trail. Slightly confusing for those who carry the National Geographic BIg Sur Ventana Wilderness map as it is labeled wrong on there. Sign at Turner Creek junction indicates that you are now hiking Big Pines trail at that point on. No water up here to draw from. We saw a couple of day hikers and one other backpacker. No sign at the Mt. Carmel trail junction and there is another trail that goes off in that general direction from atop Devil's peak.
User avatar
RSIBryce
 
Posts: 83
Joined: Fri Oct 05, 2012 2:48 pm

Re: Big Pines Trail

Postby RSI SamE on Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:12 pm

Date Hiked: December 8, 2012
General Condition: Passable

Big Pines Trail
Twixt Turner Creek Trail junction
And Comings Trail junction
• Trail: Clear
• People: 3
• Signage: Sign at Comings Trail junction is old and has incomplete info. Pointing towards Turner Creek Trail junction it reads “Spaghetti Public Camp”. The Sign says nothing at all about the Pine Creek Trail emanating from behind it.
• Note 1: Trail washed out and rocky in some places, but wide here as well.

Big Pines Trail
Twixt Comings Trail junction
And Ventana Double Cone Trail junction
• Trail: Wilderness Freeway
• People: 0
• Signage: Burnt sign at junction with Ventana Double Cone Trail and Big Pines Trail. Carver into burnt sign post is written “Pat Springs, 2 km” with an arrow pointing down Ventana Double Cone Trail to Pat Spring Camp.

Big Pines Trail
Twixt Big Pines Cut-Off Trail junction
And Danish Creek Trail junction
• Trail: impassable
• People: 0
• Signage: Burnt post with yellow, red, and blue flagging at Big Pines Trail junction.
• Note 1: Near Big Pines Cut-Off Trail junction there is lots of dead fall in the dead pine forest, climbing over large trees is necessary.
• Note 2: Trail is brushy in many parts.
• Note 3: A fire break parallels much of this trail and is easily confused for the trail, near The Danish Creek Trail junction we lost the Big Pines Trail and came out on some unknown fire roads.
RSI SamE
 
Posts: 17
Joined: Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:42 am

Re: Big Pines Trail

Postby mikesplain on Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:48 pm

Date Hiked: November 12, 2012
General Condition: Wilderness Freeway (Heavily used and well maintained)

[Ed. note- We're moving this report, originally posted by Lori, from the Pat Springs Trail reports, as it obviously refers to the Skinner Ridge, Big Pines & Ventana Trails to Pat Springs]

Section-Turner Creek Trail junction to Ventana Trail junction-
There are a few blowdowns that do not obstruct passage (stepover or step around). The tread is in fine condition, except for a section going west up Devil's Peak (or down, if going east) - there is a short traverse where the edge of the trail crumbled and eroded - but this is not impassable.

[ Editor's note: while we accept that individual opinions will vary, a trail that has ANY deferred maintenance, including stepover logs, should NOT be classified as Wilderness Freeway. A more appropriate rating would be Clear or Passable. -- cmh ]
User avatar
mikesplain
 
Posts: 660
Joined: Tue Aug 12, 2008 3:15 pm

Re: Big Pines Trail

Postby Guest 2 on Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:35 pm

Date Hiked: October 14, 2012
General Condition: Passable (some brush and/or deadfalls, tread evident)

We hiked the trail in the direction of Pat Spring to Los Padres Dam and found it to be passable. As noted in the previous post, the South-North "shortcut" section near Big Pines Camp was somewhat hard to distinguish because of faint tread and misleading side trails. After leaving Pat Spring, we at first missed the turnoff to the right for the shortecut, and ended up at Spaghetti camp, where we had to turn back and retrace our steps. To find the turnoff on the first try, look for two square posts without signs on either side of the trail. The turnoff is right there, appearing as a faint trail through the grass heading off perpendicularly.

To find the actual spring at Pat Spring, follow a short spur trail down from the main junction and look for the spring on your left. It is built up with bricks and waterspouts, and the water was coming out as if from two open faucets.
Guest 2
 

Re: Big Pines Trail

Postby Rainer on Sun Oct 14, 2012 10:38 am

Date Hiked: October 13, 2012
General Condition: Passable (some brush and/or deadfalls, tread evident)

Hiked from Los Padres Dam to Pat Spring and back. Overall, the trail is in fair condition.
There is a short section with overhead brush, but it's not difficult to push through. For
the most part, the vegetation is not more than knee high and the tread evident (there
are, however, misleading side trails), with the exception of the last section before the
Ventana Double Cone Trail, after the "cutoff trail" fork. Big Pine trail itself is very obscure
there. The cutoff trail is fine.

Pat Spring is almost dry. It's hard to draw water from there. Danish Creek has water.
Rainer
 

PreviousNext

Return to Ventana Wilderness Trails

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Bing [Bot] and 1 guest