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Re: Mountain bikes in the Ventana Wilderness?

Postby gfelsman on Thu Dec 21, 2017 8:45 pm

Yes a very good article. We work together with cyclists to expand opportunities for multiuse trails. In San Luis Obispo City since 1995, we have built over 55 miles of trails. At least 40 of them are multi-use. The recent Pismo Preserve added 11 more miles of multiuse trail. But allowing MTB into pristine wilderness areas is very distressing. The fragility of the area, new technology for MTB have now created a series of bikes that go 30+ MPH, which is a Motorcycle with Mountain Bike Wheels. Many wilderness trails are not built for this type of recreation.

Land Managers are having a hard time keeping up with the regulations. So in SLO MTB E-bikes are not allowed on any trails SLO, except for Ranger Patrols.

Can you imagine Sykes Camp along the Pine Ridge Trail if this were to happen?

I applaud IMBA for recognizing the issue and not supporting the bill.
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Re: Mountain bikes in the Ventana Wilderness?

Postby mikesplain on Wed Dec 20, 2017 12:53 pm

This LA Times article hits the mark- http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-p ... y,amp.html
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Re: Mountain bikes in the Ventana Wilderness?

Postby Alladin on Tue Dec 19, 2017 2:47 pm

Seriously, mountain bikes in the wilderness won't be a big deal in the Ventana. They are already legal on the Boronda, DeAngulo trails and the Indians road. The proposed laws don't seem to affect the coast ridge road which is non-wilderness. I don't see any yahoos riding the bike-available trails now so I don't foresee it in the future. The Sierra Nevada is a different story, there trails are more conducive to mountain biking.
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Re: Mountain bikes in the Ventana Wilderness?

Postby jack_glendening on Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:55 pm

Personally I do not mind bikes on the wider trails (actually old ranch roads) in Toro Park, where they are allowed. But they have also gone on the narrower trails, in some places creating a deep, narrow rut in the middle of the trail. The rut is too narrow to put one's boot in and the rut has created sloped sides, desroying the level tread. Those areas are steep, making purchase and hiking now very difficult. So I can't be in favor of allowing bikers on narrow trails when I see what they have done in Toro Park.

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Re: Mountain bikes in the Ventana Wilderness?

Postby Grockle on Mon Dec 18, 2017 5:29 pm

NO!

I ride a mtn bike (rode up the Arroyo Seco Road from Indians a few weeks ago) as much as I hike. I was riding in the Sierras this summer near the PCT and was telling all the hikers I met to fight this change.

Wilderness is very rare and precious and quiet and slow and bikers have the rest of the planet.

I’ve encountered fast, arrogant, loud groups of bikers many times and they don’t belong in our wilderness. There are vast numbers of mtn bikers in the Bay Area and they would have a huge impact here.
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Re: Mountain bikes in the Ventana Wilderness?

Postby mikesplain on Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:12 pm

Suggested headline for HR1349 coverage in The Onion-

Area mountain bikers partner with anti-public land Congressman to re-write bedrock conservation law.
(What could possibly go wrong?!?)
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Re: Mountain bikes in the Ventana Wilderness?

Postby steveu on Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:47 pm

I could care less if mountain bikers contribute to trail maint. What at stake is the peace and solitude I get in the wilderness that will be ruined by a mountain bike going at 30 miles an hour yelling at me to get out of the way, NO THANKS
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Re: Mountain bikes in the Ventana Wilderness?

Postby Alladin on Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:39 am

Yes. We only want equal access for all. Is that too much to ask for ? Maybe a little bit of sympathy, compassion and empathy ? Mountain bikers will be in the thick of it clearing trail, they will help. If open- season is declared then we should all jump on our bikes and enjoy the fruits.
I am thinking a nice ride from Bottchers to Pat Spring, or maybe Double-cone peak, this could be a good test-piece for a day ride, well within the capabilities of a decent Mountain Bike rider. I for one would like to be the first to pull-off such an enjoyable ride. The other tantalizing ride would be from China Camp to the coast by way of Cienega Rainbow and descend down the Boronda trail.
Truly epic rides could available in the Sierra. How about a ride from Cottonwood lakes over siberian pass to Crabtree meadow, then up to Trail Crest and to Mt.Whitney, descend to Whitney portal. This is a totally doable day trip for a decent rider ! No permit needed ! Embrace the evil !
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Re: Mountain bikes in the Ventana Wilderness?

Postby Rob on Sun Dec 17, 2017 3:17 pm

Not everyone who contributes to trail maintenance wants to go on organized outings. I dislike group trips for the same reason I hike solo. But I did go on a trip back in the day to learn, and now I take a hand saw and work gloves on every Ventana trip I do, and I contribute financially. I've had two spinal surgeries over the years and am getting old, so am unwilling to do the hard stuff.

The argument that bikes cause more trail damage than, say, horses sounds rather unbelievable to me. And I have a hard time understanding why it is legal for someone to pack in a boom box to a wilderness lake and disturb other people's serenity, while it is illegal to use one's own muscle power on a bike. But as I have noticed, life isn't fair and people in groups are full of absurdity.
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Re: Mountain bikes in the Ventana Wilderness?

Postby lori on Sun Dec 17, 2017 2:25 pm

Rob wrote:Just to play devil's advocate: if mountain-biking were allowed in the wilderness, then more mountain bikers would show up to help do trail maintenance and would contribute to that effort monetarily.


Given the scarcity of volunteers for trail crews in general? I really really really really really really doubt that. REALLY. REALLLLLY. DOUBT. Especially when it's discovered that there are actually standards to meet for how to maintain the trail, and bikes tend to cause a whole lot of damage that the volunteers would be asked to repair to that standard, adding many many hours to the job there are already not a lot of people to do.

Sitting there sawing a tree out of the trail, we might see a dozen or so hikers go by as we do each tree. Most of them say thank you, some of them stop to chat in disbelief that we are not allowed to use chainsaws, and every single one of them say something along the lines of "I could never do that I'm not strong enough/bad back/too many obligations already/not up to it/retired/dozen other excuses." Some of them are right, they are not physically up to it. Most are unwilling.

Your carrot fails to convince me at all that bikers will contribute in any way - because it's not true of the hikers, in most ways.
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